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daowu said, “ being sick and not being sick have nothing to do with him at all. speak quickly! speak quickly! ” my reply:"atchoo!"
my comment: it's not that infinity's light actively pursues us out of compassion,it's only that by having nothing to do with being sick or not being sickit soothes us without wanting to, spontaneously effervescing its colorless lightindifference, after all, is the highest form of compassion
"indifference, after all, is the highest form of compassion"Even I can tell this is the highest form of bullshit.
zakaj, you have taken the original koan in it's wrongness ! that's why I "reworked"/corrected it !you just sorta flick over stuff !
Sepehr: I recommend studying some Shan-tao and Tan-Luan "the highest form of compassion has nothing as object""compassion means not conceiving of any sentient beings to be saved"Leonard Cohen the famous singer had a Zen master and he said that what impressed him about meeting this Zen master was how deeply he cared for him ... and then after a brief pause he corrected himself and said: "... or how deeply he did NOT care" - the second version had some wisdom Basically compassion involves delusions - true compassion is a sort of benign indifference and requires the state of enlightenment. Buddha's compassion is not really related to human compassion at all. Tan-Luan said it's like "play" - like a lion taking a deer. It's spontaneous and has nothing to do with any pity or any human emotion. That's what buddhism refers to as "compassion"
Some sort of "benign indifference" that was described by Tan-Luan as "play" as "sporting in the field of samsara" ... it's not related to pity, to feeling bad about someone being sick. The koan was about the self that has nothing to do with sickness or non-sickness. And who is that? it's that very playful benign indifference referred to above. It comes on its own accord, it's like a headless intelligence and cannot be rationalized ... and it "deeply does not care for us" as Leonard Cohen said - but that "deep not-caring" is the greatest compassion
The historical Buddha called it "the unborn" - Zennists try to access it with meditation but they fail because all kinds of "trying" already obscure it. There's nothing else to be done but to prepare in anticipation for its spontaneous advent - there's nothing that can be done on our part to bring it about - it's not related to will or intention or any human narrative ... only its power can save us, and it comes on its own, we cannot "think it out" - it's light, it's wisdom - it is constantly calling us but we do not hear because instead of listening we're busy with "practice" and "meditation" and knowledge and philosophical discourse ...
(basically we're too proud to receive this compassion or absence thereof and its gift or absence thereof ... we hope that one day, by reading the right text, by doing the right practice, sitting in the right Yoga posture or finding the right koan - something will "click" - and then ... it's a gamble to live life like that ... betting everything on one result ... there's another way - but it's only accessible if we give up our wanton desire for becoming a special person in this life)
zakaj, man you are writing some bullshit !I really don't want to have to deal with this wrong minded crap or you for that mattergo away !
Zakaj, I would appreciate it if you don't talk down to me. I don't need you to patronize what Zen is about to me. First off, Chan/Zen were never unified schools. Because of this, you will find both shit and good in Zen/Chan.In Zen/Chan it's best to be idolatry to everything, except for greed, hatred, and delusion. The bees, birds, sun, moon, and etc. all must be loved, and we cannot get too comfy for they can also kill us. an3drew said to love everything is the Zen/Chan path, and this is both meaningful and meaningless (you have to take both the sense and senseless).'I must wait a few days before seeing you. You are too momentous; but remember it is idolatry, not indifference.'Letter 0581 (COMPLETE except signature, "Emily"), to Susan Huntington Dickinson, 1878.